| Dave Kellog and Patty Smith close down Mad-cows.com FOREVER! But wait! |
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| Sep 19, 2006 at 12:51 PM | |
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After a couple of 14 day countdowns to garner page views, Dave Kellog has finally decided to throw in the towel and shut down Mad-cows on 10/1/2006. He promises there will be no "sale" like the imaginary one with mootalk.com, but leaves open the possibility that the site could stay open if the right people ran it. Dave even goes into calling his current members nasty names born from some kind of pent up frustration I guess.
He also promises all personal data will be removed after the site's closure. That's still to be seen. He begs people to sign up at goodtopics.com instead, run by the elusive and secretive Patty Smith, a site that's been dead for over 2 months. But maybe he really could sell the site under the right circumstances, but he won't provide any monthly cost statistics because he's ashamed that he really hasn't spent very much money on site hosting as he's promised! He talks about "Apache upgrading itself" on a whim and that some Apache web server versions aren't compatible with vBulletin! LIES!! He can't upgrade the mad-cows forums because some software in it (like the arcade) is incompatible with the newer version! LIE!! (Tntu.net is on vbulletin 3.6.0 and runs the same arcade software!) He claims to spend $300 monthly on the site yet still gets charged overages on bandwidth space! LIE!! He doesn't want people to know about the "real" expenses! No updates from Dave about where all the charity money went, or if all the investors in his mad-cows investment scheme were reimbursed, or even what that investment scheme entailed, it's all still secret. There are still threads on Mad Cows from March with him begging for donations to keep the site running. More juicy FACTS and INFO about this predictable announcement is on mad-bulls.com here (membership required): http://mad-bulls.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=662 And at The Ross Show here: MOOOOOOO! This just in, MAD-COWS To CLOSE DOWN! How long before we see another scam run by Dave Kellog? I predict by Christmas. From this thread on Mad Cows: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen CC = Crazy Chicken (Dave Kellog) GT = Goodtopics.com (Patty and Dave's "other" dead site) MC = Mad-Cows site CC 09-15-2006 05:19 PM Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. Many years of working on this site (over 3 years +) and watching it become a hotspot and quite a success for what it was intended for in the first place. Mad-Cows.com was never intended to be a "commercial" success despite what many might think it was or should have been intended. In the past couple of months I have added lots of new features, and it's been great. I hope everyone enjoyed them. I was making a long term decision during the process and had fun adding the things. However... Mad-Cows.com really needs a LOT of attention to make it a greater success. While it has this potential to add thousands of new members and increase it's already heavy (at times) traffic it would require a lot of work. I can't devote such time to it. Don't get me wrong. I have enjoyed the fun and times here at the MC. Many of you are great people, and a lot of you are total assholes and fuckheads. Even more that aren't here anymore are just plain shitheads. I would love to devote time to the Great People, Fuckheads, and ShitHeads and get more of such people here. I can't. My professional life is a totally different and unrelated area. Even my hobbies don't coincide with this site. Add to that my health, and my family, and there just isn't enough time in the day to REALLY do justice for the MC. I could just ignore the MC (move it back to shared settings and lower the monthly cost) and let it die a slow lingering death. That is what many "others" want to happen. It won't. On October 1st, 2006 (thereabouts) I will shut down Mad-Cows.com completely. A few days after that I am going to completely wipe the databases, personal data, and all posts/threads. It will be "gone" forever. Unless someone buys the MC (which I am not counting on or care they do), and even then I will still wipe it clean except for accounts (unless the membership requests otherwise) and then allow others to opt out, and make sure the new owner does nothing bad with the e-mail addresses or any personal information(not like it matters). Blah Blah Blah. So, it's The End. The Saga is over. The drama, the bullshit, the lies, the truths, the deceptions, and the fuckwads. I would suggest many of you trade e-mails, or perhaps sign up at GT (if not already) so that you can still stay in contact if you wish to do so. For those of you that have supported me, and this site. A very heartfelt... Thank you. Definitely some great people here and I have enjoyed conversing with you. For those that have sought to destroy this site and myself... fuck you and the jackass you rode in on. You motherfuckers can kiss my ass even before I wipe. As for now folks, you can comment and say what you want and such. I am open for discussion, but I am done. So... Goodbye. Farewell. ... and Amen. bb 09-15-2006 05:57 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. CC, I can understand how you reached your decision and will say that I'm not surprised by your announcement ...but I am surprised by how sad it makes me feel. MC has become my online "home away from home" and I'm really going to miss it! There is no other place quite like this on the internet...for me anyway. I don't know if I would care for MC having a different owner...you were really the flavor of the MC...it just wouldn't be the same. For now... I'm going to have to absorb this news before I post anymore. Oh wait!!! Gee...did you have to get us addicted to the arcade first?!! It it possible to get it moved over to GT? CC 09-15-2006 05:59 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. Yes, it is possible to move the arcade over to GT. I am sure Patty would not mind and I will ask her. :) Dragonfly 09-15-2006 06:03 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. CC, The best to you and your family. Thank you. Harleybitch 09-15-2006 06:07 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. Geeze I am so fucking shocked!!Holy FUCK is all I can say right now!! *Hum* 09-15-2006 07:14 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. well rumours about it shuttin down has been goin on for quite awhile now....cc, i want you to know that i appreciate you and all that you put into mc :hug: i also pray that your health gets better and you enjoy your family and no more shit.... take good care of yourself cc..... CC 09-15-2006 08:12 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. Those rumors were wrong, Hum. Never thought about shutting down until the countdown started and during it. I, we, analyzed different aspects of the the MC and made the decision. I extended the deadline so I could have more time. I hate to burst bubbles, but this has nothing to do with anyone or anything else. This was not decided months ago. What I stated in the complete truth. I just don't have the proper time to devote to this site to take it in the right directions. LL 09-15-2006 08:12 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. Well...fuck! LOL! I don't guess anyone would believe it if I said I guessed it was this, so I won't say it... Yep, tis why I waited (after seeing it didn't happen sooner today) til the last minute of this day almost to come see...was afraid this was what I'd find. From a personal standpoint, it couldn't happen at a better time, conversely, it therefore couldn't happen at a worse time...but only because it's happening at the better time, so I'm happy and conversely because it's therefore equally the worse time, I'm sad...(do you think I scrambled some brains with that? I hope to hell so! lol) Fuckfuckfuck...ok, just felt it again, had to say it again. You know of course it doesn't matter a whit to me really. NOW...there's you a fucking lie to crucify someone about, shitheads-you-know-who-you-are. Oh....lest we forget....(and we never shall)....one last gloat to CufftheWrongStuff....GLOATGLOATGLOATGLOAT...ok, that's four.....LMAO To all near and dear to me and know it....and those who don't know it....and those who aren't, because you too made it what it is TODAY for me (don't you just hate that?): I've Had The Time of My Life Now I've had the time of my life No I never felt like this before Yes I swear it's the truth and I owe it all to you 'Cause I've had the time of my life and I owe it all to you I've been waiting for so long Now I've finally found someone To stand by me We saw the writing on the wall As we felt this magical Fantasy Now with passion in our eyes There's no way we could disguise it Secretly So we take each other's hand 'Cause we seem to understand The urgency just remember You're the one thing I can't get enough of So I'll tell you something This could be love because I've had the time of my life No I never felt this way before Yes I swear it's the truth And I owe it all to you With my body and soul I want you more than you'll ever know So we'll just let it go Don't be afraid to lose control Yes I know whats on your mind When you say "Stay with me tonight." Just remember You're the one thing I can't get enough of So I'll tell you something This could be love because 'Cause I had the time of my life And I've searched through every open door Till I've found the truth and I owe it all to you CC....this is SSDDAY...Good Luck and Good Night! (Did I ramble enough?) Harleybitch 09-15-2006 08:14 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. CC, I'm angry!! Do you care? Probably not!! I think this sucks big rat balls!! Yes I am two and I am picthing a fucking hissy fit!! This is my home.. This is where my friends are.. This just SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Never ever in a million years would I have thought you would run off on us.. I am so angry at this..I know you don't give a fuck!! Harleybitch 09-15-2006 08:16 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. Quote: Originally Posted by CC Those rumors were wrong, Hum. Never thought about shutting down until the countdown started and during it. I, we, analyzed different aspects of the the MC and made the decision. I extended the deadline so I could have more time. I hate to burst bubbles, but this has nothing to do with anyone or anything else. This was not decided months ago. What I stated in the complete truth. I just don't have the proper time to devote to this site to take it in the right directions. Then leave it in the direction it's in..Who cares if we get to the damn top..I like Mc's just the way it is anyway..This blows big BULL BALLS!! CC 09-15-2006 08:20 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. Well, LL, unlike "others" I am not going to spend my personal time (I don't have much of to begin with) to keep a site open just for spite of "others". I have a life. I am not one to obsess over people/sites to the point of insanity. Not to mention they have nothing to gloat about. The MC was a success. It had lots of traffic, great members, and tons of discussions. Sure nobody is buying it for millions (which I guess others would judge being a success) and making headlines. However, the MC has been one of the most active discussion boards in comparison to many others. Cuff is a sick-headed controlling bitch. Who really cares what she thinks to begin with? One thing that cemented it for me was the "mob" moved back to Bidville, which in turn will piss people off, and then in turn those people would come here to complain about it. Circle of life? Fuck the circle. I am breaking it. I don't want that back here. Other sites are WELCOME to it. CC 09-15-2006 08:22 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. Quote: Originally Posted by Harleybitch CC, I'm angry!! Do you care? Probably not!! I think this sucks big rat balls!! Yes I am two and I am picthing a fucking hissy fit!! This is my home.. This is where my friends are.. This just SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Never ever in a million years would I have thought you would run off on us.. I am so angry at this..I know you don't give a fuck!! I am not "running away". I have to prioritize things in life. It's called being grown up and making adult decisions. I don't have the time for the MC anymore. As to running away, you can always contact me through GT. It's not going anywhere. That's hardly running away. I will also be taking care of any unfinished business with the MC before or just after The End. :) CC 09-15-2006 08:24 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. Quote: Originally Posted by Harleybitch Then leave it in the direction it's in..Who cares if we get to the damn top..I like Mc's just the way it is anyway..This blows big BULL BALLS!! You can't just "leave" a site alone. Someone has to watch it, fix it, upgrade it, monitor it, etc. You open up too much liability just to "leave it". Especially sites such as this one. *Hum* 09-15-2006 08:42 PM, Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. Quote: Originally Posted by CC Those rumors were wrong, Hum. Never thought about shutting down until the countdown started and during it. I, we, analyzed different aspects of the the MC and made the decision. I extended the deadline so I could have more time. I hate to burst bubbles, but this has nothing to do with anyone or anything else. This was not decided months ago. What I stated in the complete truth. I just don't have the proper time to devote to this site to take it in the right directions. thx cc for yer post....take good care :wave: Winter 09-15-2006 08:42 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. CC...I ADMIT I FEEL SAD ABOUT THIS BUT I DO UNDERSTAND AND WISH YOU AND YOURS THE VERY BEST.:30_angel: :hug: :wave: LL 09-15-2006 08:43 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. Just in case I wasn't clear on that gloat up there...no "they" have nothing to gloat about...That's ME, gloating, lol, at CTWS....cause I'M STILL HERE!!! and all that means in-between.... LOL!!....oh trust me, she understands... REDWOLF 09-15-2006 09:11 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. Well, I guess its my turn. CC I do understand where you are coming from. Family, health are truly important and should be held in high respect. Am I happy about MC closing down? FUCK NO! Yes this was my home first. I came here before I went any other place on the net. Oh sure I would get pissed at a few. But I always came back. This sucks. If we were happy else where we would have stayed there, but we didn't. I knew that stupid clock was for this. Why do you think I broke your stones to find out why. Damn CC, isn't there anyone on your staff that could pop in once in awhile to check everything out? You have a council that was voted in my your members to help out and we have done nothing but sit on our asses for months. So we have all sat here waiting for all the changes that were suppose to take place for nothing? We love Patty. Can't she step in here? I am sorry CC I just didn't get GT that well. Well, what ever happens, I do wish you well. All I can say is, this is fucked up! sallyhoffman 09-15-2006 10:27 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. CC, I'm sad to read the news about the site ending, but I do understand your reasons. Thank you for allowing us to be a part of this place. Best of luck to you and your family......... sallyhoffman 09-15-2006 10:31 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. HB, at one point you spoke about possibly taking over this site - any chance that it could seriously happen? A new venture for you, perhaps? CC 09-16-2006 12:56 AM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. Red, I don't think you have given GT a chance honestly. I am sure Patty would adjust things according to the wishes of the active members. She did it for years at Moo. True, not as much cussing and fighting allowed at GT, but she is going to do a cool overhaul soon I think. Remember that Mad-Cows (the forum) was first Patty's idea at the Moo. :) This site and members would have to contribute a lot more to keep this site worth running really. Since we have tried advertising, and it didn't do well, that is not a good option. We tried member supported and that worked better, but the costs are higher now. While we could lower them it would still need more supporters than it had before to keep up the maintenance of the site. There are a couple of people I trust enough to watch over it, but I wouldn't ask them to do it for free. I can't though do it myself. Even if people offered me thousands per month, because for me, it's not about money. Certainly nobody else would have the totally cool personality that I had. ;) It's possible between a part time Admin and the Council it could continue, but with so many clashing personalities I think it might not work the best. Though GT is still an option. Patty can easily install the Arcade and Chat rooms even if the members want it. She really uses GT for other reasons and for her team in their own forums, but the active membership would still have a lot to say and input. Hillbilly 09-16-2006 09:03 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. C.C.!! I understand completely where you are coming from. You have to look after yourself & family first. This place has always been a home away from home. This place has been MAIN CENTRAL for many folks. Friendships can still prosper between everyone. Ya have e-mails....plus someone could open up a GROUP at Yahoo. They could call it.......MAD-COWS SURVIVORS. See ya'll, Hill:hug: :hug: Billy REDWOLF 09-16-2006 09:43 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. Damn LL, Now your last post made the tears start! Stop that! I have been thinking about this all day. Even told Goose and the girls that CC was closing down the site and why. Goose looked at me and said, well where the hell are you going to go now? I always would talk about everyone here and brag about MC. I do feel special that I was apart of MC and what this site was/is. It is one of a kind no dough about it. We have had tears together and some pretty great happy times also. Tempers all fired up and sorries were always not far behind. Yes, I am sad and hurt. I feel like I have lost a best friend and for me that is hard. I got to know some people here who in the begining I was kinda hard on. Found out late just how wrong I was. Even got to meet some new people and get to know them too. Fell in love with Hb and learned I loved argueing with CC. Now tell me where the hell are we going to find that kind of FUN? "NEVER SAY GOOD BYE, UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN" bb 09-16-2006 11:03 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. I know and the more it seeps in... the worse I feel about it..:15_weepin: I love each of you in a very, very strange kind of way.:) Even you Hum...I think of you like an irritating little sistah...but I still care for you. It wouldn't feel right if I didn't have anyone to get irritable with now and then (in a good way of course):) :hug: Red...I can't even think of not coming in here at 5:00 am and not having to clean up all your mess from the night before...laughing the whole time! You are like my twin sistah..we share so many thoughts in common. :hug: LL...you are a great old/new addition to my MC family...you can make me laugh and cry and I'll always be grateful for the fact that we have been blessed to become friends.:hug: DF...you are the very strict mother of this family....except every now and then with you get crazy on us....and I love it!:hug: HB...what can I say except that you are Da Man! If you were a few years older I'd scope you up on a chocolate diped cone and devour you XXXXOOOO Becca...:hug: what can I say? You are a wonderful person who has a real nasty bark when riled ...but a heart of pink fluffly marshmellow...and I love you to death! I just got my new commercial sewing machine in and I would like you to find out what halloween costume's with sizes....that your kiddies may like to wear this year. They can be my first sewing project of the season! :hug: Sketer Sketer Sketer...you have made me laugh out loud more times than I can remember. Laughter is good for a persons soul...what will I do without you?:hug: Ellijay....I shall really miss you! We have both been thrown to the wind (so to speak) but I'm glad we were able to work past it. You are another one of the MC family I will really miss!:hug: Bella I shall miss you dearly...I hope this will not be the last I hear of you!:hug: Sally...you are the one true sane person of the bunch...I have appreciated your helpful posts many times in the past. Thank you!:hug: Katrina...I hope you and your wonderful family have the best that life can give you. You are such a sweet person ...you deserve the best!:hug: Russ, it's been interesting knowing you ...although I think you aptly named yourself... Dark Knight....for you can get very dark. But you are a hard worker and a great seller...so I know you'll continue to do well in your life. And please try to open you mind up just a little bit that some of us live simple Christian lives...that bring us great joy and peace. And in our life around us these things are greatly needed. Yet we can still be good people...although I think you have a hard time believing this due to your past experiences. Open up your mind a little and expand your tolerance for us. As we have for you....:hi2: Beach...I didn't get to know you well but what little I did...I liked and respected. I hope everything goes well with you and your daughters...I wish you all the best.:hug: Kenzy...I never figured you out...but many times your posts and graphics were just what the MC needed most. I hope your life is filled with much happiness. QB...QB...QB...you are the quy we love to hate... and hate to love :) I have always enjoyed your company and I'll be sorry not to have you around. CC...I've been saving you for last....:devil: You are the spirit of the MC...the head rooster so to speak. You've made me think many times and have even caused me to change my mind on a few things I never thought I would have. You were respected and feared (by me) and loved. I have great hopes for you, your family and your life....god bless!:hug: If I have forgotten someone I'll come back tomorrow ...I am falling asleep at my keyboard now. Just thought of a few more; Dimview....interesting name by the way. Dave...a written name who doesn't post...but plays wicked games in the arcade! Mellowfellow...Once I find a place with these same types of games and BINGO...I'll get ahold of you through BV as I don't have your email any longer. Lets stay in contact my friend...:hug: catrinaf25 09-16-2006 11:31 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. this sucks REDWOLF 09-16-2006 11:47 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. Yup, and bb you are the sweetest of all of us. Now I have cryed twice tonight. Oh shut up I can't help myself! I will probably wake up with a headache and that sucks. I just keep shaking my head.:ohboy: :wide-eyed :tpoorme: :19_indiff I totally feel lost. And with No Reward, I just might be lost forever. Harleybitch 09-17-2006 05:24 AM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. This still fucking BLOWS!!! I feel like I am lossing a part of my life..Oh wait I am.. MC is a HUGE part of my daily routine..and man do I mean HUGE.. WTF amd I going to do now?? Huh CC wtf am I gonna do..I dont wanna clean I wanna be HERE.. How the hell can I use the MC as an excuse now if it isn't here? HUH ??? I don't wanna find a new home, I like it here, no wait I LOVE IT HERE.. I can be myself..The bitch that I am.. I never thought in a million years leaving here would bother me,,Well it bothers me so much it's unreal, I had a dream last night I went to CC's and tied him to a chair and tourtured him until he promised he would never throw us all out..It worked.. I may just have to do this.. I know I'm being selfish (im not even sorry either).. I know CC you have a life and family and work, BUT MC is my life my family and my work.. Now in a instant it's being taken away from me..It sucks too.. I know I could sit here and beg and plead and it's not really gonna get me anywhere..How about if I come to your house and run around nakked until you promise not to throw us out?? Will that work?? Come on pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee don't throw us out!! Harleybitch 09-17-2006 05:42 AM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. AWEE bb you made me cry.. DON'T do that!!! lmaoooo I have some really great friends here and I don't want to lose any of you.. You all know when everthing happened and the Mc gang split up and went to BB and all the shit happened, I am so glad I stayed where I belonged.. That was here.. Yes I lost some friends and I lost someone I was very close to in a misunderstanding and even though her and I talk once in awhile it's not the same .. I miss her dearly!! I miss most of them that is for sure.. BUT they took a stand I didn't believe in and I stand here proud to be part of MC and have CC as a friend.. I am glad I stayed here, I have mad some really great new friends that I would have missed out on if I played follow the leader.. I don't regret beleieveing in my own belief of things..(did that make sence?) lmfao Red I know you and I haven't talked in a while but you will always be my sis and my dearest friend .. I love you bunches!!! You and I have been threw alot and if we become seperated in this eviction, I want you to know that I love you lots and thank you for everything you have done for me and with me..I love you!! I will be back when I am done bawling!!! Russelljds98926 09-17-2006 07:11 AM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. Well CC unlike many here I intend to try and repay your kindness from over the years, and see who might be interested in buying MC if & when you might put it up for sale. Ya never know WHO might want to buy it heeeee heeeee heeee heeeeeeeeeee!!!!! Also dont fret too much harley, I am sure that Moody misses you as well LOL!!! EllijayMom 09-17-2006 08:10 AM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. Well CC, It's been real and it's been fun and yes, it has been realy fun. We will all survive. Sure it sucks BUT nothing ever stays the same. People change the world changes. Onward and upwards! WIll miss most of you, not all but most! ;) *Hum* 09-17-2006 10:31 AM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. wow im surprised bb....the feelin is mutual :wave: sallyhoffman 09-17-2006 02:17 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. To add to Russ's latest comments, CC would you provide us with some additonal information such as: 1) How much it costs per month to keep the MC up and running 2) Describe in some detail the types of behind-the-scenes things you do to maintain the site 3) How much of your time per day/week/month have you spent doiing the tasks outlined in item #2 above 4) If someone were to purchase the MC, would you consider playing a "consultant" type role for awhile, in case said purchaser had questions on how to do their new-found role? Perhaps having this type of information would help folks decide if they could/would commit to helping keep this site going beyond Oct 1st. Last but certainly not least, THANK YOU CC, for all your time, effort, and hard work you've given this site over the last 3+ years..... CC 09-17-2006 03:17 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. Sally, I would love to be able to give a definitive answer to each of those questions, but it varies. The cost per month depends on several factors including the basic hosting costs (or dedicated server), bandwidth used (if going over the limit which we have done several times), and several other issues. On the second, I have spent WAY too much time dealing with the first and doing upgrades. You have to keep in mind that servers don't sit still. Apache upgrades itself on a regular basis and sometimes that leads to incompatibilities with the current vbulletin (or any) script. Also vbulletin itself is upgraded and patched regularly. Right now, MC is behind on upgrades because if I upgraded it now it would break a few mods (like the arcade), and lots of little mods that we take for granted. At the same time the new upgrade would add new features as well. Also with upgrades, you have to worry about your current "theme" or design working with the new upgrade. The new 3.6 version (we are at 3.5) changes a lot of things and adds new features. You need to keep up-to-date as well, as many updates are security patches. This is true even with free software like phpbb. Many would lead you to believe you just throw up a forum and that's all there is to it. However, I spent a lot of time working to make the MC look different and not just like it was purchased out-of-the-box. This is what vbulletin looks like out-of-the-box: http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/ Now compare that to our current setup not to mention the extra features added. Also there are the fees every year to vbulletin even with a owned license of the software. I would not recommend anything less than vbulletin because it's been proven to handle the traffic and posts, whereas many "free" offerings can't. Sure you can put up a free forum or use a free service to handle a handful of people, but the MC gets a lot more traffic than that. Now when things are running smoothly it doesn't take a lot to keep the MC going. However, it's the times that DON'T go smoothly is when it gets hours of work and not a lot of fun. Again, for me it's not about money. I am not doing this to get more supporting members or money for the site. As I said before thousands of dollars per month I would still have to pass. Sure there are options. As I said I was open for discussion on the matter. I could probably find a neutral party to run the site (if I tried) and ask for donations to keep it running and leave it at that. That is possible. Really I think if the site could make or raise about $300 total per month it would be just fine. That would mean more supporting members or the current members would be paying way too much. Though, I know of several professional sites that people pay $160 per year to access just a few "extra" forums, and others than pay $10 per month, but they have thousands of members. Same time there are many successful sites that don't charge a dime because of the advertising. I could try that method as well if the members were to support those ads (clicking/buying/etc). Point there is that advertising services like Google/Yahoo don't ALLOW you to ask your members to click on things. They can, but you can't point them out to do so. Also such ads are notorious on forums to have very low click rates. If people want to discuss this more with me, I suggest we go to the supporters forums to do so, as those are the people really affected. If anyone has suggestions, or ideas, then I will listen. We have a couple of weeks until the deadline. Nothing is set is stone other than I will not have time to run this site. That doesn't mean there aren't alternatives. sallyhoffman 09-17-2006 03:46 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. CC, thanks for taking the time to respond to my questions. I had a feeling that there were no hard and fast answers, but I felt I needed to pose the questions, if nothing more than to get folks thinking about all the behind-the-scenes things you've done should someone be seriously thinking about taking this project over. sallyhoffman 09-17-2006 03:53 PM Re: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. The prospect of this site closing down for good really hit home last night - I'd been thinking about a dear friend whose husband died this past May and it occurred to me that what I was feeling about not having this site anymore was a lot like dealing with a death of a friend. Seeing the countdown up there again, counting down the days didn't help either...... Here's hoping that some way, some how, we can and will manage to keep in touch with each other when that countdown finally goes to zero....... |
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