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[Dman-N-Company]

plsmith


Dman-N-Company Is not a member of the OAUA as Dman-N-Company is a business and businesses can not be a member of this organization or elected bod members or officers.

In fact more to the Point Dman-N-Company is not even a registered to sell at any of the  auction sites big or small.


How ever Dman The person is an auction seller and also has a membership in the oaua that is questionable at best at this time as an auction seller I feel about the same about the OAUA as you or anyone else at this point we may see the fault for its failures a little differently not much, but see them I do.

Fact is the membership does have a say and even a vote in who and how the OAUA is ran they have already voted in this group that is running the OAUA , There has been some thing accomplished with this group of bod that was elected and if the membership has decided this bunch can do no more then in august election time they have a vote to replace some of these members and bring others in who they think can move it a step further.

as far as the $$ the Oaua has at this time if they work things just so even if they didn't get another penny in sponsor ship for 3 to 5 years they would just be running out of funds at least I'm fairly sure of this no business can go that long with out income but the OAUA is a non profit doesn't even have a payroll its all volunteer work done in spare time.

Even if they spent $500 each of them years to send reps to this type of event, the OAUA's future is certin but only if it's members make it so and mis trust and second guessing wont be the way to make that happen.                    

[Dman-N-Company]

Yes buffalo you have got it

you said "what the heck are you talking about ??"

Now everyone here talking about these members spending organiztion money for personal enjoyment and vacation, just has to ask them self that very question !!!

since the members volenteered to take there own money to go to this event to help the OAUA  WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT !!!

I was not really aiming my post at you it was more aimed at canvids last statement about the issue you just happened to USE the word's that fit.

canvid said something about understanding OAUA members mouching funds .....                    

[plsmith]

"There has been some thing accomplished with this group of bod ..."

What accomplishment is that, D-Man?                    

[gaffan]

Dman -
The money is, to some extent an ancillary issue.
The central question was whether it made sense to try to drum up sponsors on cold-calls at eBay live.  Your analogy to Buffalo buying a computer is a false one; please stay away from such comparisons; they involve an additional level of indirection and it really is hard enough to follow you even without them. You may take that as an insult if you like, but I assure you it is not intended as such.                    

[Kevin_T]

DMan,
Trying, as I am, to completely withdraw myself from these boards and stop doing my own brand of further damage to the OAUA, your comments can not pass without comment.

You said:

The reps are not being sent to solicit funds, Oaua wants to send there ebay Liaisons to this event as they have arranged a face to face discussion about Oaua ebay relations.  

The secondary purpose of sending the Liaisons would be to meet and look for new Oaua sponsors which Oaua is badky in need of.  

Prior to the decision being made, the primary reason for attendance given to the mere membership was to find sponsorship monies at Ebay live. Only after the decision was made by the BoD without explanation and the few frustrated membership that still cared enough to express any opinion, cried outrage, did any mention of Ebay Relations ever get raised.

The OAUA may be badly in need of sponsors, but it also badly needs to be in a state where it can offer something tangible to the sponsors.

It was only after my comment "Now, if a new sponsor were to approach us, that would be a different story.", that a BoD member added into the very next post, "We HAVE had offers for sponsorship, ......" as a means of justification for the trip to California on behalf of the OAUA.

To me, it is a no-brainer that if this were true, that the point should have been made long before the decision was carried in the BoD meeting. However by appearance my comment opened the door for a justification of sorts.

As for your "...as they have arranged a face to face discussion about Oaua ebay relations." This was (a) mentioned only after the decision had been made and ( was not an arrangement made by the OAUA but an invitation given by Ebay. Again this should have been described before, or if time was lacking, then as the decision was being made. It was given instead after a couple of days of criticism over the decision, only as an afterthought and a very late attempt at both justification of the decision and an attempt to placate the membership. The person who was apparently invited to speak with Ebay, answered other questions but avoided expressing this fact at all. This in itself undermines confidence in whether the invitation was given - my own impression is that the invitation was given but not for the reasons stated.

BUT whatever reason that Ebay may have given the invitation for an OAUA representative to come and talk with them, I do feel that it not only should be accepted, but also that this representative be reimbursed IN FULL for her expenses involved. After this is important and valuable OAUA business, and stands to offer fresh opportunities for the OAUA to talk with Ebay on behalf of any or all of their membership in the future.

D-Mans quote:

the Four people who would be going to this event would be the four newly appointed Liaisons Main reason to Restore a relationship for the OAUA with ebay and introduce the new Liaisons.

Only one of the four people so far proposed is a liaison for Ebay (the other Ebay liaison does not appear to have been included in the trip oddly), one is now a liaison for another site and the other two were not on the BoD so hold little hope of ever being liaisons, and certainly are not newly appointed liaisons. For the purpose you claim, only the Ebay liaison - who was also the person invited to talk on behalf of the OAUA need attend, and again, her full reasonable expenses really should be covered by the OAUA.

as far as listening to the membership Lets keep in mind that no matter if the OAUA has 3000 members or it has 200 there was only 3 or 4 members who ojected mistrust or have any doubts of any kind on the OAUA forum about sending OAUA Liaisons to this event.

And thus any formerly active member who has given up on voicing an opinion that is contrary to the BoD is now, by default, supporting their decisions absolutely. This is part of why I am resigning from the organisation instead of just quietly returning to my volunteer duties. I can not continue to tear the place apart with my callous argument, and I can not sit back and support the decisions by default.

Dman The person,
You certainly have gotten the spin right! Why don't you apply for the currently vacant BoD seat. Include a link to this thread with your resume, and you should be appointed the position before it goes through the formal vote in the next BoD meeting.

Good Luck,  Kevin                    

[gratefuldad]

Well, I understand what Dman is saying and he makes some very good points, as do the rest. So I find myself in the position of agreeing with parties that are apparently in disagreement.

A while back I asked what if members paid their own way or perhaps a special Paypal donation fund was set up to help defray expenses. Unfortunately I got no response.

I think Dman's point about liasons is valid. It's not enough that OAUA representatives are well-spoken and live near Anaheim. If representatives are to be liasons between OAUA and other auction sites, then they must be committed and willing to give their time now and in the future.

I think that OAUA would be making a mistake to limit the number of representatives it sends to eBay Live. On the other hand, OAUA can't allow itself to become paralyzed. If it is to grow, it must move forward. Whether OAUA is ready to move forward or is still mired in its own muck is a matter of opinion. Since I didn't see any poll, official or unofficial, I can't really guess to what the membership wants.

My own personal opinion is that OAUA has outlived its usefulness. I don't believe OAUA represents my interest nor is it likely to anytime in the near future.                    

[Powerhouse]

Originally posted by gratefuldad
...On the other hand, OAUA can't allow itself to become paralyzed...

Too late.                    

[canvid13]

You don't work heavy machinery while on medication.


The OAUA is not in shape to be publicly soliciting monies from any company.

Something that isn't being mentioned is the huge weight of taking money from Ebay or any other auction house?

This is something that should be talked about publicly and perhaps even have a referendum of the membership on?

If this group is to have any future it really has to start conducting itself in a manner that can represent sellers.

Is there any difference between a corrupt BOD with no money or a corrupt one with money??

IMO, I think that any funding of the OAUA should come from the membership first so that THEIR voices are the ones that are heard and not any companies.

The past and current BOD seem to already have had problems listening to the voices of those who they represent.   Perhaps they should think about this before finding others to represent?

Right Bobby?  

Question, who are the four who want to go?



Richie, (Dman)   it really doesn't matter if you pay for something when you know that you are being reimbursed??  No cookies there big fella.   Again, just like your advocacy of using open source auction software last year, you have to think things out before you take action on them.   And you really have to think about who you take money from in this situation.  

Gaffan:   You're a funny guy.  A real comic.    You pick on someone like Dman because he's semi-literate; but Richie, even though he and I disagree about many things, says more in his way than your verbose prose does most days.   Think about that and chill out dude.   Just because you may disagree with him is no reason to pick on him and make it personal.   You verbose mucker.

                   

[gaffan]

Dman is not semi-literate, Jamie.  He strikes me as an intelligent guy whose grasp of written English is a tad tenuous, and who's pretty indifferent to that fact and its consequences.  And I'm not picking on him.  I'm presuming his intent is to communicate.

On the other hand, your grasp of the semantics of any human language or anything resembling logic is completely absent, even if you can spell correctly and form complete and syntactically correct sentences.  You communicate just fine.  What you communicate is that your grip on reality seems to be tenuous.

How'd that series of conferences all around the continent turn out, Jamie?  You announced that big news was coming from the leader of the free OAI world (you).  Then you announced a series of conferences.  No dates, no agendas, no hotels, no speakers, no registration forms, no nothing, yet to this day you seem to fail to comprehend that what you did wasn't planning a series of conferences, it was a random thought which entered your head and rattled around in there until it came out as a grandiose drool-splatter on the pavement.  And to all appearances you've achieved little more than another asymmetric splotch of spittle on the asphalt with the regurgitated AuctionPie as well.

You're behaviorally indistinguishable from a troll who puts a little more background effort into his trolling than most, like constructing that lame excuse for a site.
In that resepct, you leave Manny in the dust, baby. You da best.

Oh, and thanks for the news flash that I'm verbose.  I'm aware of that.  You're quite concise in your constructions; it's a shame that precision isn't coupled to anything that's going on outside your head.                    

[canvid13]

Gaffan would you like one or two rolls of toilet paper with that last batch of verbal diareaha that just poured from you?

Sometimes you seem like a very bright person???   Then you sort of flip out??

Get a grip dude.   If you ever decided to be consistent you possibly could do some good in the world?

And why is that you hide behind your vocabulary??   Anyone can sit with a thesaurus Amigo.

If you don't like the idea you attack the poster.   If you don't like the poster you attack the idea.

that makes you a big waste of time.

It's a lot easier to sit back and spout crap than to try and do something.

When I see more of what you have done then maybe I'll give you more credit for you alleged erudite opinions.

Are you even an online seller??

Jamie                    

[gaffan]

It's a lot easier to sit back and spout crap than to try and do something.

The words of the master.


Jamie, I've sold everything from computer parts to rare books on eBay.  I've tried to do what I could in the OAUA.  Stop telling people to get a grip when you have none.  What on earth does my selling record have to do with anything?  Do you really think that nobody but you noticed that you didn't respond to any part of my post, but instead did exactly what you accuse me of doing?

And just because you couldn't come up with both "drool" and "spittle" (the words, not the phenomenae) without assistance, don't assume others need a thesaurus to do so.                    

[sayitaintso]

Shoot, Gaffan, Jamie is clearly only trying in this thread to convince everyone to join AuctionLie and all their problems will be solved.                      

[2112]

For Jamie's use, only.  Help us know when it's a question and when it's a statement, would you, please?                    

[gaffan]

Sorry??
I peeked??                    

[Saysyou]

Jamie,

OAUA has no intention of taking sponsorship money from auction sites. Never did. They are looking for sponsorship from auction RELATED entities, such as auction management sites and the like.

You're the one that really needs a grip.                    

[coyote]

Jamie...

In case you don't know (kind of seems that way)...

OAUA is an organization of online auction sellers and buyers...

Excuse me all, that was somewhat off topic, but just wanted to make that point/clarification - carry on...                    

[Powerhouse]

Originally posted by coyote
Jamie...

In case you don't know (kind of seems that way)...

OAUA is an organization of online auction sellers and buyers...

Excuse me all, that was somewhat off topic, but just wanted to make that point/clarification - carry on...

To comment on that.... Jamie may not be alone in that impression. A few people have expressed the idea that OAUA should be exclusively a sellers group as supporting buyers concerns may run counter to that of sellers.
But - dead on - it is still for buyers and sellers so far.                    

[coyote]

Yeah Powerhouse, I'm aware of that sentiment...

The thing is though that in all fairness, sellers intent should not really be counter to buyers intent...

I mean - nobody is out to pull one over on anyone else are they? Of course I'm not that naive - it's important though, to keep in mind...                    

[gaffan]

And even if the revolutionary thinkers, movers, and shakers were to make it a seller's only organization, it would surely still only admit sellers with non-atrocious feedback.  From this perspective, Jamie's interest in the organization is particularly inexplicable.  I wonder if he's equally insistent that other organizations with basic membership requirements ought to admit him.  Does he have a stack of correspondence with the American Legion?  Has he perhaps staged a sit-in at MENSA headquarters?                    

[hellcat]

I assume that would have to be a 'sit-in' because Jamie is troubled with "diareaha?" :nervous:

You know, I've never met a seller on eBay who wasn't also, at least occasionally, a buyer.  It's rather silly to pursue an organization of OAI sellers, excluding buyers.  Not only are they significantly the same group of people, their reasonable interests are in tandem.  The best lessons I've had in online selling come from my experiences as a buyer; conversely, I've learned much about online buying from my experiences as a seller.

Beth                    

[Charlotte Fox]

Kevin, I am sorry to see you so frustrated. I understand, but I think you deserve much better. I think all of the members do, but you especially.

I distinctly recall Toyranch campaigning on a platform of openness and honesty, yet here he is, having become Chairman of the Board, and what has he done? -- turn the OAUA into a secret society; a fortress wherein even those who can read/comment upon what's going on are given either the runaround or officious dictums designed to let them know that their member input is neither welcome nor important.

Pat, I recall this too. I brought it up many times and got the "poor little attacked TR" bullshit. Lying is what liars do.

This portion of the post indicates that either Director Beeman does not understand what the word \"consensus\" means, or that he is willing to tell a \"who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?\" level non-truth. The consensus was that yes, this is the kind of function that ultimately OAUA ought to send representatives to, but certainly not at the present time.

Same response: I recall this too. I brought it up many times and got the "poor little attacked TR" bullshit. Lying is what liars do.

If the treasurer does not have the signiture card in order yet who is approving the expenditures? The Chief Financial Officer...is this still the same person who is a BOD member, Chairman of the board, Discussion /board Administrator, God of the OAI? He would not just "happen" to be one of the people going to eBay live to represent the OAUA now would he. Shit...LMAO, talk about conflict of interest.

Odd that no review of thr finances have been done, no review of the website security, no much of anything...except approval to send a small group to this shindig. They have time for a trip to this, but not time to do what their role requires them to do. Did anyone ever get the two years worth of back paperwork that Indiana reqires from nonprofits...oh I forgot...they don't have an official treasurer yet...they gotta wait...well the third year will be due real soon.

How the hell can OAUA be represented as an official anything. They are not capable of very simple official paperwork. We are not talking about forms that require a great amount of time, intelligence or ink to fill out. But they are official forms that legitimate official organizations fill out and send in on time. And that is the least of OAUA's shortcomings.

Dman...OAUA is its active members. They are the soul, the people that are willing to speak, to work. You rant and rave and you buy into every piece of crap you were fed. If there were honesty and integrity being displayed by the the BOD through their chosen spokesperson...I would agree with some of what you have said. However, that spokeperson cannot say the same "fact" twice.  The only consistant message that spokesperson has had is his conplete disregard for the well being of OAUA as an organization and as a collection of individual members. He will drain it and then will walk away. And not one productive thing will ever have been done because he will not let it get done. It would upset his manipulations. This is sad because there have been some damn good people that have worked to get the OAUA up and running. Kevin, Pat (plsmith), and Diana are just a few of them. There have been other qualified, honest people to continue trying to make OAUA grow with grace, integrity and professionalism of which a few of them are Gaffan, Barry, Dorothy and Nan. It is these people and those like them that I believe in and trust. The people that have earned that trust because they are honest, they have worked hard and they are quality. I will not believe in a stupid, manipulative, dishonest egomaniac or those it speaks for.                    

[Storm Front]

"Poor little attacked TR" is feeling mistreated again.

http://community.otwa.com/3/OpenTopic?a=tp...06&m=2822965394