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Duck Dynasty - This Was Bound To Happen

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  1. SneakyDave

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    Why did it take this long to point out that the Duck Dynasty family aren't quite gay friendly?

    I'm not a fan of the show, don't really get it I guess, but wouldn't it be obvious that the lot of them would be homosexual-averse?

    Is this news? It isn't like pro-gay types would watch the show anyway. I hope they didn't ask him about his views on abortion.

    Why isn't the fact that GQ is doing this interview a bigger story? Wouldn't Bass Pro Shops make more sense?

    The online petitions and boycotts should be starting soon.

    'Duck Dynasty' Under Fire Following Star's Incendiary Anti-Gay Remarks
    The stars of "Duck Dynasty" might be America's most popular TV family, but that could change very soon — because Phil Robertson has made some strong (and seriously offensive) anti-gay remarks that have sparked instant backlash.​

    Speaking with GQ, Robertson lamented that when "everything is blurred on what's right and what's wrong ... sin becomes fine." So just what qualifies as sinful in his book?​

    "Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there — bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men," he declared.​

    Phil probably should have cut himself off at this point, but instead he paraphrased Corinthians. "Don't be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers — they won’t inherit the kingdom of God," he warned. "Don't deceive yourself. It's not right."​

    What's more, according to him, it's basically incomprehensible. "It seems to me, a vagina — as a man — would be more desirable than a man's anus," he explained. "That's just me. I'm just thinking, 'There's more there! She's got more to offer.' I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It's not logical, my man. It's just not logical."​

    http://tv.yahoo.com/blogs/tv-news/-...anti-gay-remarks-spark-outrage-134231650.html
     
  2. SneakyDave

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    He can't understand why everyone isn't just like him. It's a puzzlement.
     
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    To his credit, he's just espousing his belief system. Nothing really wrong with that. But people can't have their own beliefs in this world. They have to be punished for them.

    I don't understand why A&E would suspend him. Isn't that the type of audience they want to watch the show? Maybe they were just trying to nip any protests in the bud.

    I'm offended by the way white adult males are portrayed as ignoramus' on practically any network sitcom, but I'm not about to get out the tar and feathers.
     
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    Even that goofball Piers Morgan doesn't think anybody should have the right to be a bigot.

    https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/statuses/413707815488741376

    Is nobody allowed to have an opinion on how anybody lives anymore, without getting Paula Deen'd?
     
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  6. Whale Spirit

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    You've got the right to be and say anything you want as long as you're not breaking the law, and even then sometimes you do. When you're employed by an organization or company, you're a visible part of it and can reap the consequences of whatever statements you make. They have the right to fire or suspend you. Alec Baldwin recently lost his job at MSNBC for a comment about gays.

    Just sounds like this guy is suspended, though, and will be back. Just a slap on the wrist.
     
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    I thought he resigned from MSNBC, but even so, was there an outrage over it?

    The difference I think is when a person uses their company's "show" or interface as a pulpit for their views. If the Duck Dynasty dudes were using their show to say that they despise homosexuals, then A&E has a right to protect that property.

    But now, it seems somebody can't say anything in an interview about their personal beliefs without the swift hand of intolerance slapping them.

    We're at the point where merely a suggestion of a boycott will force companies to grovel and apologize.

    I'm not saying that what A&E did is illegal, I'm sure they have the power to suspend anybody for any reason, but it just looks stupid to me. Maybe it's a PR stunt.
     
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    I should create a sportsbook event. I bet Lance Bass shows up on the next season of Duck Dynasty.

    Or Anderson Cooper, or Andy Cohen. Now, I WOULD watch that. I think Andy Cohen will kill it on that show.
     
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    I don't remember whether Baldwin resigned or was fired. Martin Bashir resigned over what he said about Palin.
     
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    That's what I was thinking of, that's right, it was Bashir. Baldwin wondered why there wasn't a backlash against Bashir, or something to that effect. In Baldwin's case, I think he called somebody a "cocksucker" while trying to get in his car, and Bashir suggested that Palin eat her own feces. I think that's how it went down.

    I've called people "cocksuckers" and "motherfuckers" in the past, but I do it out of generalized frustration or hate, not to demean a specific group. But of course, its never about "intent", it's about how somebody "feels".

    Baldwin wasn't on his MSNBC show saying these things, he was just trying to get in a car. Bashir said these things on his show.

    In my opinion, it makes more sense if Bashir was fired, since he used the MSNBC show to spread his MESSAGE OF PALIN HATE :furious:! If a person didn't know better, they might think that MSNBC encourages that type of commentary.

    Bill Maher called Palin a "c*nt", but I didn't have a problem with it, because he said it as a part of a comedy routine, although he probably does believe it. He also called her a "dumb twat". Most women would object to that, and would tell me that I should too!
     
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    Now, I just saw the TRS thread:
    http://www.therossshow.com/showthread.php?16872-A-amp-E-dumps-Phil-Robertson-for-speaking-an-opinion

    Now, I don't believe (more than) half of what Trouble believes, but I have a feeling that he is true to his word. I'll take somebody's word over somebody agreeing with me any day of the week. To his point regarding "men would prefer to have sex with a vagina over a penis", maybe he hasn't seen some of that late 70's porn I stumbled upon a while back. CREEPY

    It appears to me that there might be more to the story with Phil Robertson. Surely, his contract doesn't say that he can't have an opinion on something, can it? Maybe there's been a history of his intolerance that forces A&E to not be tolerant of him?

    FFS!
     
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    I don't have any sympathy for Martin Bashir. He said a really stupid thing and should have known better.

    He didn't say Sarah Palin should eat her own feces. She said Obamacare was worse than slavery, and he cited an instance in which a slaveowner forced a slave to defecate into another slave's mouth. He said that should happen to Palin if she thought Obamacare was worse than slavery. It was a horrible thing to say no matter how disgusting Palin is.

    Palin never spoke up for Bashir's "freedom of speech" when that happened. She piled on with everyone else. But suddenly "freedom of speech" is an issue with her when her side's ox is being gored. :cool:
     
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    Suppose you had a business and it became known in your town that one of your employees was a member of KKK or a member of NAMBLA. Even though the employee didn't speak of this at work, would you still keep him knowing that some customers were no longer doing business with you because of him?
     
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    Are you saying that what the Duck Dynasty Dude ssid was the equivalent of the KKK or NAMBLA?

    Even so, A&E is making money and promoting this supposed "wholesomeness". That's what gets me. You can't promote a show about the God Squad and then filter your cash cows' opinions.

    If the Duck Dymssty family were true to their religion, they'd all walk out. But I don't know if this is just a Phil issue or the whole family supports Phil's beliefs.

    I certainly don't think he should apologize. How old are we, that that is a reasonable demand? Paula Deen apologized, look what that got her
     
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    No, I'm just wondering what you'd do if one of your employees said or did something away from your place of business that had a detrimental effect on your business, as long as it wasn't something illegal but was enough to make a considerable number of people not want to come to your place of business.
     
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    I found this article earlier. In one part it talks about A&E's response.


     
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    Looks like I should read-up on this latest brouhaha. I don't watch much TV and know nothing about the Duck people. I'm happy they aren't living near me....I have enough issues with the greedy around me. lol.
     
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    If a press conference was required, I'd say that the employee's views didn't match mine or the company's in genreal, just like A&E dId. If this was a good employee, making me a lot of money, like Phil, I'd make sure I kept them.

    Reading your post in full, if it's having a detrimental affect on my business, I'd deal with it just like any other inconvenience. Firing the employee would be the last choice I'd make, and I'd let them resign with some kind severance. A&E has it backwards

    What if A&E was an abortion clinic, and one of its nurses was found to be protesting abortions on the weekend? Should the clinic fire her?
     
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    Regarding the Dixie Chicks, I'm not a fan, but it isn't the same thing. The Dixie Chicks were lambasted by the people buying their crappy music. I don't recall their record company saying they were going to suspend them. That's a problem of "don't shit where you eat".

    A&E can do whatever they want within the contract they have with the Duck Dynasty Dudes. I'm just saying, that it isn't smart. They tried to side with the lesser of two evils, so to speak, and I think they picked wrong.

    I'm not boycotting the show or anything, but I can't see how this ends up good for A&E, unless this is just about ratings. I think the "threat" of boycotts works better today than the actual "act" of boycotting.
     
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    I don't know. I was just trying to imagine a similar situation in the context of a small business and what the owner would be obligated to do.
     
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